GraVandius
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Thank you Hy.Hy said:A man after my own heart. I, for one, agree with the ERI's stance and I think an analytical approach to what works? can only be good.
This is a hypothetical because it is certainly not the case. The region is constantly evolving naturally over time, without structural changes, we moved to discord just two years ago, before that it was Skype and before that MSN (or I don't even know as it was way before my time). Each of these presented new legislative changes. The de facto law and community standards have evolved over time and that too causes legislative changes. Just look at the laws we have, so many are out of date, or could use a review. Thus, this question is not at all relevant to our present situation.Prim said:When the legislation has been "perfected" or as near to it as possible, what then?
Do we sit around marveling at the wonderful unblemished edifice that we've created, while twiddling our thumbs?
I think, for what I have seen in NS, change for the sake of activity does not really work. Spiritus, of which I was once a member, cycled through 4 forms of government in the past year 3 of which did absolutely nothing to generate activity. It was because on a lower level, people had no interest in participating in the government in general, not that the form of government was not interesting enough for them.Lethen said:That discussion has been had by so many players for so many years in so many regions in NS. We should be marveling at the fact that a region as old as our's is still as active *and* still draws in new players. But there's nothing you can do that isn't a stop-gap solution at this point, short of burning down everything and starting over...which would be temporary as well unless our brilliant legal minds and legislative drafters left.
Thank you HEMHEM said:Let's give credit where credit is due, this is a phenomenal rebuttal to my anti-Senate thesis and GraV did a stupendous job putting it together. Also, moving a radio discussion to print is a really cool integration - overall an A+ piece of media.
A lot of the bills passed the past two terms were criminal code amendments, which of course don't really have an effect until the crime is committed. I don't think that necessarily makes them non-consequential because they do help define what our community finds acceptable, and would have a massive negative impact should they not exist when undesirable actions are taken in the future. For now though, only the Attorney General (the default prosecutor) and the Court needs to be quite mindful of it's existence.HEM said:Now, have you won me over, of course not ( ). The idea of the Senate "pushing commas around" does not literally mean that the Senate passes no legislation or does no work, it means that the impact is superficial and limited. The "who's affected" application here is incredibly broad, and even then, roughly 50% of legislation only impacts Justices or the Attorney General. Yes, there are exceptions - notably the Hate Speech Non-Protection Act - but on the whole, this list reflects a series of non-consequential changes.
For the record: this is not my intent at all. If a major change comes along that presents the plausible outcome of improving the region (beyond just allegedly increasing activity) I would support it. It is simply the fact that many of Prims current proposals simply do not do that.HEM said:It seems that any potential major change, no matter how well considered or thought out, is destined to be characterized this way.
To be fair, in part that is because we don't fully agree on the problems. For instance, I see a Senate that doesn't truly represent the people as a problem. Others are perfectly content with a law writing club. So maybe that's the disconnect here.
I for the record have received moderate to good reviews on my Euro legal skills and in RL am a Freshman Finance major with absolutely zero RL law experience. So I don't think this is something that is really that hard if you take a bit of time to learn.HEM said:With the social elements of this game becoming more appealing, and the political ones less so, we cannot partition a whole branch of our government exclusively for players who are in pre-law in real life. We can't make it about work that for many is so arduous they would never want to get involved with it.