Who will win the Presidential Elections? Unedited

Former Presidents Lethen, PhDre and Rachel Anumia along with Deputy Mayor Jairo discuss the elections.

Lisa = Me
Mark = Lethen
Ph = PhDre
Philippe = Jairo

Lisa says: (6:00:52 PM)

So who has the advantage going into this election?

Mark says: (6:01:18 PM)

Presidential or Senatorial?

Lisa says: (6:01:34 PM)

Presidential

Philippe says: (6:01:41 PM)

From what I can see not Oga

Lisa says: (6:02:35 PM)

I don't think Skizzy Grey's inititial platform wasn't enough given NES's

Lisa says: (6:02:52 PM)

I think NES can win in the first round -if- it sinks in.

Ph says: (6:03:07 PM)

I dont think that NES will catch as much flak as he should for his lack of a platform for a week

Philippe says: (6:03:31 PM)

I agree

Mark says: (6:03:50 PM)

I haven't even read his platform yet

Philippe says: (6:04:01 PM)

you mean his book?

Lisa says: (6:04:13 PM)

Well, the irony is that it may actually end up being an advantage. I personally think it was a mistake by OO to highlight how "Europeian" he is, as a jab towards NES.

Lisa says: (6:04:46 PM)

Personally, I feel that OO is under-rated and could pick up more of the vote than people give him credit for.

Mark says: (6:05:40 PM)

OO has definitely worked his tail off lately

Mark says: (6:05:45 PM)

but...he's also undermined himself

Mark says: (6:06:22 PM)

He lost a lot of legitimacy in people's eyes when he wrote those one or two articles attacking CSP and Rachel, and...you shouldn't run for President after barely being active the last term

Lisa says: (6:07:16 PM)

Mhmm, I think that if one wishes to run for President they really have to build themselves for it the term before.

Philippe says: (6:07:33 PM)

Yeah, the first post I saw from him was his stand for presidency

Ph says: (6:07:46 PM)

I think that OO had a much better chance with just Skizzy in the picture. Now that NES has a formidable platform, it makes OO's seem very stale by comparison

Mark says: (6:08:18 PM)

I'd also be lying if I said I wasn't biased and didn't really read any of OO's platform or speeches...

Mark says: (6:08:18 PM)

brb

Lisa says: (6:08:59 PM)

Predicted Result of the First Round?

Mark says: (6:09:50 PM)

Lethen sweeps in and outflanks the opponent to hit a home run touchdown into the endzone right past the goaltender

Mark says: (6:09:56 PM)

brb again...

Lisa says: (6:11:51 PM)

haha, another question..

Lisa says: (6:11:57 PM)

VP Candidates?

Philippe says: (6:13:07 PM)

I think Swak is good quality. I've been impressed with the work he has done in almost every area of Euro life.

Ph says: (6:13:59 PM)

I think Swak is the best of the VP candidates

Lisa says: (6:13:59 PM)

Lethen highlighted his attitude towards other senatorial candidates.

Ph says: (6:14:19 PM)

PASD is a strange choice in that NES didnt highlight him at all in his platform

Ph says: (6:14:22 PM)

Seemed also a tack on

Lisa says: (6:15:17 PM)

PASD has FA, Senatorial and Mayoral experience. Out of all the teams besides OO, he is the only one with the latter experience.

Lisa says: (6:15:31 PM)

Could that make a difference?

Ph says: (6:16:05 PM)

PASD has not been stressed at all by NES as a teammate

Philippe says: (6:16:19 PM)

Senatorial and Mayoral experiencee are similar though

Ph says: (6:16:28 PM)

Perhaps being a Mayor will help NES win the election, but it doesn't bode well for the actual term

Mark says: (6:16:28 PM)

I think the only real issue with Swak is that he may slip up during the term and fuck up communication with the Senate

Mark says: (6:16:47 PM)

We've all seen Swak get a little bit pissy on the forums when he doesn't bother telling people about changes

Mark says: (6:17:02 PM)

How will he act when those people are 7 Senators, and he doesn't like most of the field anyway :p?

Lisa says: (6:18:24 PM)

While NES didn't mention PASD much in his manifesto they do seem to be fairly close. The opposite case of this, would seem to be Seymour and Ogastein...

Lisa says: (6:19:39 PM)

It's been a bit of an odd election for Seymour, now dropping out of the Senatorial race after CSP, Jairo and myself declared their intentions

Ph says: (6:19:53 PM)

I dont care if you arent close, being unable to acknowledge the other half of your ticket in a professional setting is not a good sign, period.

Ph says: (6:20:19 PM)

And NES's inability to do that with PASD is not a good sign regardless of whether they are fairly close

Lisa says: (6:21:56 PM)

I would say it was simply something he over-looked. There is a stronger case that someone would highlight the VP more if they weren't as close.

Ph says: (6:22:43 PM)

I dont think you can over look half your ticket and not raise concerns. Its definitely something to look out for moving forward.

Lisa says: (6:23:40 PM)

One thing that's disappointed me this election is the interjection of spammy comments in literally every thread.

Mark says: (6:23:53 PM)

What defines that, though? I know that when I ran as VP with Lex as President, he maybe devoted 2 sentences to me. Noone cared then.

Lisa says: (6:23:55 PM)

I want to know where people stand...

Lisa says: (6:24:17 PM)

You were VP with Lex? (case in point joke) :p

Ph says: (6:24:36 PM)

Ill second your annoyance with spammy comments

Mark says: (6:24:36 PM)

I served as his VP at least once

Mark says: (6:24:42 PM)

Aurora served like twice, thrice maybe

Lisa says: (6:24:43 PM)

not really though, those were great terms.

Mark says: (6:24:52 PM)

as his VP

Mark says: (6:25:21 PM)

I don't play records

Lisa says: (6:26:32 PM)

if a big time politician were to endorse a candidate, would it make a big difference?

Mark says: (6:26:40 PM)

Yes

Lisa says: (6:26:42 PM)

/solidify a result

Mark says: (6:26:42 PM)

Case and point me

Ph says: (6:26:58 PM)

Depends who you consider big time, really

Ph says: (6:27:04 PM)

Yes, butthurt is a thing

Mark says: (6:27:11 PM)

Which isn't being cocky. If me, or Anumia, or Lexus (maybe not Lexus as much anymore) endorsed someone

Ph says: (6:27:40 PM)

It would help for sure

Mark says: (6:27:41 PM)

that'd be a significant boost. One could argue its more due to private convos in MSN where, inevitably, elections come up and we talk about liking that particular person and what they have to offer.

Ph says: (6:27:47 PM)

mhm

Mark says: (6:27:58 PM)

speaking of which, PhDre, I really hate gyros

Mark says: (6:28:01 PM)

Gyros are terrible

Mark says: (6:28:13 PM)

*subconsciously makes you vote for anyone but Jairo*

Mark says: (6:28:15 PM)

Don't you agree?

Lisa says: (6:28:57 PM)

lol

Lisa says: (6:29:07 PM)

When do polls open?

Philippe says: (6:29:25 PM)

hey now!

Ph says: (6:29:38 PM)

Gyros are delicious.

Philippe says: (6:29:38 PM)

Gyros/Jairo is awesome :p

Lisa says: (6:29:52 PM)

JGlenn just posted his support of NES

Ph says: (6:30:32 PM)

Probably wont make a difference, to be honest

Ph says: (6:30:49 PM)

Maybe a vote or two influenced

Lisa says: (6:30:50 PM)

He's a politician who I hope continues to try to do bigger things. The VPship could be his prime moment.

Ph says: (6:31:07 PM)

Mm, I agree. He wasn't a very vocal VP

Ph says: (6:31:11 PM)

Or outstanding VP

Ph says: (6:31:17 PM)

Which doesnt help his future political chances

Lisa says: (6:32:13 PM)

The problem with VP's is that you really need someone who are tight allies with. Else, the VP will be scared of screwing up etc etc

Ph says: (6:32:32 PM)

I dont agree you need a tight ally as VP

Ph says: (6:32:33 PM)

At all

Ph says: (6:32:44 PM)

I could work with a VP

Ph says: (6:32:46 PM)

or as a VP

Ph says: (6:32:51 PM)

with someone who Im not close with personally

Ph says: (6:32:57 PM)

Or are an 'ally' with

Ph says: (6:33:24 PM)

It requires maturity, yes, to allow yourself to be a critic and an alternative perspective inside of the administration

Ph says: (6:33:29 PM)

while furthering Europeian interests

Ph says: (6:33:33 PM)

and doing what you have to

Ph says: (6:33:43 PM)

But I comlpetely disagree that you need to have a tight ally as a VP

Mark says: (6:34:07 PM)

you just need to have an actual agenda :p

Lisa says: (6:34:51 PM)

Idk, I just think of myself and NES. We aren't afraid to criticize the other though... which is what I think makes a great ally.

Mark says: (6:35:01 PM)

eh

Mark says: (6:35:30 PM)

True, to an extent. Every VP I've ever had or every President I've ever been VP to have had that relationship with me

Mark says: (6:35:37 PM)

HEM, Lex, etc.

Lisa says: (6:36:30 PM)

If there were debates, who would be favoured?

Mark says: (6:38:41 PM)

That's a tough one

Mark says: (6:38:44 PM)

I'd lean towards NES

Mark says: (6:38:52 PM)

but I feel like Skizzy could keep it interesting

Mark says: (6:39:01 PM)

VP-wise? Hmm...Swak

Ph says: (6:39:21 PM)

NES or Skizzy would come away with the debate

Ph says: (6:39:39 PM)

I hate to put OO at a lower tier, but that's just the reality of the situation

Ph says: (6:40:03 PM)

VP wise I think Swak has the most experience and would be the best VP, not sure if that would translate well to a debate

Lisa says: (6:40:51 PM)

I agree with PhDre about the VP. Swakistek seems to go into Presidential elections as a very strong candidate and then wane as they go on

Lisa says: (6:41:13 PM)

At least, that was the case when he went up against Sopo. I believe he had the initial advantage.

Ph says: (6:41:59 PM)

I also think he compliments Skizzy better than other VP's compliment their Presidential candidate

Mark says: (6:43:21 PM)

In a pure debate, I honestly don't see Seymour or PASD outdebating Swak. Maybe I'm underestimating them, but Seymour would somehow get off topic, and PASD...wouldn't be on topic enough :p

Lisa says: (6:43:57 PM)

I disagree about PASD, I think he can bring it when he wants to.

Ph says: (6:44:14 PM)

I dont think he can bring it against Swak and win

Lisa says: (6:45:14 PM)

In many ways, he's the darkhorse VP. I do think that this election is more exciting than the last few

Ph says: (6:46:02 PM)

I mean, we dont elect Presidents based on the strength of their VP

Ph says: (6:46:07 PM)

I think PASD is not a strong VP candidate

Ph says: (6:46:13 PM)

but NES is strong enough on top to

Ph says: (6:46:19 PM)

prevent people from worrying too much about him

Mark says: (6:46:20 PM)

lol I find it funny that we're all here lauding Swak, but the minute he gets uppity, we all make fun of him/yell at him/frown at him

Mark says: (6:47:20 PM)

haha as an aside, he was ranting to me the other day about the Senate (candidates and those who just served)

Mark says: (6:47:26 PM)

The boy has high expectations :p

Mark says: (6:47:42 PM)

For everyone else

Lisa says: (6:48:22 PM)

yup

Lisa says: (6:48:37 PM)

Okay, so who is the strongest Presidential candidate and why?

Mark says: (6:48:54 PM)

NES

Ph says: (6:49:06 PM)

Agreed

Ph says: (6:49:13 PM)

While his platform is incredibly and inexcusably late

Ph says: (6:49:27 PM)

His ideas are more solid than either of his two opponents

Ph says: (6:49:52 PM)

And has demonstrated that he's not willing to just be a status quo president

Mark says: (6:50:02 PM)

Because I said so! No, not really (yes really). Because he's active enough to dispel any activity worries; he's got a real hold on foreign policy that I don't think many of us really grasp; he's got actual knowledge about how to run the Navy; etc. etc.

Mark says: (6:50:15 PM)

And he does my dry-cleaning

Lisa says: (6:53:01 PM)

I also think it seems like his "time"

Mark says: (6:53:27 PM)

Why do you say that?

Lisa says: (6:54:11 PM)

He seems to have grown tremendously as a Europeian politician lately. Few remember his time when he was a "Foreigner" GA and regarded as an outlier.

Lisa says: (6:54:45 PM)

First being appointed DEIA, then elected Senator, MoFA and VP.

Mark says: (6:54:54 PM)

Mr. Grey would disagree to that with an eloquent F-ck you

Mark says: (6:54:55 PM)

lol

Lisa says: (6:55:07 PM)

haha

Lisa says: (6:55:46 PM)

I like Skizzy but NES is in a better position

Lisa says: (6:55:58 PM)

and I think Europeians will reward him for his work lately

Mark says: (6:56:36 PM)

Indeed

Mark says: (6:56:37 PM)

he

Mark says: (6:56:39 PM)

has

Mark says: (6:56:41 PM)

assimilated

Mark says: (6:56:46 PM)

the Europeian Borg Society did well

Lisa says: (6:56:57 PM)

When I look at JGlenn's endorsing of him, I think it reflects the "new" generation

Philippe says: (6:57:24 PM)

woah what did I miss?

Mark says: (6:57:31 PM)

Ah, the new generation. The past new generation tried to protect Falc. The new new generation likes NES :p

Ph says: (6:57:50 PM)

:p

Lisa says: (6:58:08 PM)

In many ways, it's a bit of a carry over from my own terms

Lisa says: (6:58:31 PM)

at least in the second one, he was really loved by the cabinet members

Philippe says: (6:58:48 PM)

history lesson pwease :)

Lisa says: (6:59:21 PM)

argh idk where to begin :p

Philippe says: (6:59:26 PM)

lol

Philippe says: (6:59:33 PM)

you can send me a link

Lisa says: (7:01:02 PM)

Does NES win in the first round as it stands?

Philippe says: (7:02:07 PM)

going off the points you guys brought up I'd say yes

Ph says: (7:03:28 PM)

Probably

Ph says: (7:03:32 PM)

I dont see OO getting that many votes

Lisa says: (7:04:02 PM)

I think he will as well

Lisa says: (7:04:20 PM)

As well, I view this as a tremendously positive election

Ph says: (7:05:51 PM)

I think this would have been a much more constructive election if NES had posted his platform a few days ago

Lisa says: (7:07:08 PM)

Haha, although the "never say never" and fourth quarter pushes have come to define Europeian elections

Philippe says: (7:08:05 PM)

yes, he had a unique opportunity to win a significant amount of votes had he posted earlier, but maybe this was his strategy.

Lisa says: (7:08:45 PM)

kk, so any last words on this election?

Ph says: (7:09:27 PM)

I mean less in terms of electoral strategy but

Ph says: (7:09:33 PM)

being a positive moment for Europeia

Ph says: (7:09:41 PM)

more time to discuss and disect the visions of the candidates is warranted

Ph says: (7:09:56 PM)

we deserve more time than we're getting this election

Philippe says: (7:10:34 PM)

Ahhh, true

Mark says: (7:11:35 PM)

On NES platform: I don't know if it was a deliberate strategy, but it does merit some consideration as to its own...merits. How many times have we seen platforms go up quickly and then get progressively dissected and destroyed in a week? If anything, putting up a platform now doesn't give the voters and critics the chance to get out of the "Honeymoon" phase, and he can make sure he tailors it

Mark says: (7:11:44 PM)

to avoid the drawbacks of his fellow candidates' platforms

Mark says: (7:11:45 PM)

g2g

Mark says: (7:11:48 PM)

be back in a few

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Ph says: (7:12:35 PM)

I agree with Leth. It might be a way to win an election - post a novel the day before the election with a series of potentially sound policies - but its definitely not positive for Europeia.

Lisa says: (7:14:17 PM)

Well, I look forward to watching the elections...

Lisa says: (7:14:46 PM)

Apparently there is also some small American sports game going on, but the Euro elections will be the real draw :p

Ph says: (7:14:47 PM)

I mean, that's one thing. But let's not pretend this is a positive moment for Europeia when there's no real debate, just spamming in election threads. We've seen more constructive elections

Ph says: (7:14:54 PM)

Much more*

Lisa says: (7:15:26 PM)

Ah, I meant more in terms of candidates and that there hasn't been massive controversy such as when Sopo faced off against Seymour

Ph says: (7:16:00 PM)

I mean, I just dont think its a positive election. It's pretty bland to be honest

Lisa says: (7:16:29 PM)

Hopefully, things will heat up more.

Lisa says: (7:16:37 PM)

kk, I'm putting this thing up :p

Ph says: (7:16:48 PM)

There's little time for things to heat up, like I said

Ph says: (7:17:00 PM)

Had NES's platform been up a few days ago, then yes

Lisa says: (7:17:22 PM)

Three former Presidents and Jairo? :p

Philippe says: (7:19:49 PM)

haha
 
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Oh, the media...used to be great. I wonder why it's never really picked up like it did in other regions.
 
Common-Sense Politics said:
Lethen said:
Oh, the media...used to be great. I wonder why it's never really picked up like it did in other regions.
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Most of our old members who are in the best position to provide it are lazy. That includes me.
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*raises hand sheepishly*

I used to write a paper that spanned LKE, TNI, GB&I, and Europeia; then I got lazy.
 
It's hard to sustain, especially when you have other duties. But if a few people did a little bit, we'd atleast have something.
 
Maybe I'll write some op-ed pieces. It may help to remind people that papers don't have to be about NS and Europeia. Could be anything, really.
 
I mean it should be patently obvious. She's married to the man, for god's sake.
 
He likes using yo-yo's.

That is an obscure reference.
 
I was making a reference to Ness from Super Smash Bros.

He uses a yo-yo.
 
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