Golden 2cket: Which Demographic Pairing Had the Most Success in the Unified Executive Era?

Calvin Coolidge

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This article is a follow-up to a previous article: Golden Ticket: Which Demographic Pairing Had the Most Success in the Executive Split Era?

After putting myself through one of the most research-intensive projects I've ever taken on in Europeia in the previous installment of this series, I was left with a verifiable mountain of research still to work my way through before I could call it complete. That's why I'm here today, to put this series to bed and finally answer the question "What demographic pairing has had the most success throughout Europeian history?" Or, at least that was the goal. Unfortunately, the actual conclusion will have to come in a third article, because while I now have collected all the data I need, there cannot be an equal comparison between all of it in a way that one article can get into. I'll explain what I mean later on, but just know that this two part series, which was originally supposed to be just a single article, is now a trilogy, with the final installment to be released in the near future. Enough about that, though, there's a lot that I can share with you in this article, and I want to dive in as soon as possible, so let's answer our big question today "What makes the best ticket in the unified executive era?"

Let's start with the basics: what's a ticket in the unified executive era? Any elected pairing of President and Vice President from 2010 to 2019. There will be no analysis of Presidents and Vice Presidents prior to 2010, that will be in another installment of the series. Next, what does "the best" mean? For the purposes of this article I'm defining "the best" as "has won the most elections". So, if a demographic pair has come close to winning in multiple races I'm sorry, but those efforts, although admirable, won't cut it here.

To further lay out the basics, there have been 50 successful tickets elected in the unified executive era. Here they are in chronological order:
  • Falconias/Carracalla
  • Rougiers/Earth22
  • PhDre/Jusduckria
  • Anumia/Asianatic
  • CSP/McEntire
  • Oliver Grey/Anumia
  • Earth22/CSP
  • Earth22/Skizzy Grey
  • Rach/Asperta
  • Sopo/HEM
  • Rach/McEntire
  • CSP/JGlenn
  • NES/PASD
  • Skizzy Grey/CSP
  • Sopo/Vinage
  • Vinage/Lethen
  • Vinage/Seven Deaths
  • Swakistek/Seven Deaths
  • CSP/Drexlore Greyjoy
  • Kylia Quilor/Drecq
  • Seven Deaths/Drecq
  • Anumia/Malashaan
  • Anumia/Malashaan
  • Anumia/Malashaan
  • Kraketopia/Pope Lexus X
  • Kraketopia/Pope Lexus X
  • Malashaan/Mousebumples
  • Mousebumples/Malashaan
  • Sopo/Writinglegend
  • Writinglegend/Calvin Coolidge
  • Writinglegend/Calvin Coolidge
  • Writinglegend/Calvin Coolidge
  • Kraketopia/Trinnien
  • Trinnien/Calvin Coolidge
  • Calvin Coolidge/Malashaan
  • Trinnien/HEM
  • Writinglegend/Aexnidaral
  • Writinglegend/Aexnidaral
  • Aexnidaral/Brunhilde
  • Calvin Coolidge/Darcness
  • Writinglegend/Deepest House
  • Cat/Writinglegend
  • Brunhilde/Rach
  • Rach/Malashaan
  • HEM/Sopo
  • Deepest House/Kuramia
  • Ervald/Drexlore Greyjoy
  • Sopo/Pierce
  • Sopo/Pierce
  • Kuramia/Pierce
You may have noticed that I'm also not including any people who were replaced after their election in this listing. Since we are only talking about elections, it doesn't matter what happened after, unless that new ticket ran for election afterwards, such as Rach and Malashaan. Sorry to disappoint you Drexlore/Sopo fans out there. Maybe next time.

Next, let's set up our demographic groups. I'm going to keep things fairly traditional with these groups and just divide things the way that most polls do. That gives us these demographic groups, which I have named for easy reference later on:
  • Less than 3 months in the region(< 90 Days): Baby
  • 3 - 6 months (90 - 180 Days): Newcomer
  • 6 months - 1 year (181 - 365 Days) : Youthful
  • 1 - 2 years (366 - 730 Days): Middle
  • 2 - 5 years (731 - 1825 Days): Old
  • More than 5 years (> 1825 Days): Ancient
For clarity's sake, I will be calculating the time each person has spent in the region since their first active* citizenship application right up until the first day of the election. I say the first day to distinguish from both the day that the election ends, and from any runoffs.

*Active citizenship application meaning they applied for citizenship, then actually started participating in the region. PASD, for instance, obtained citizenship a few times before the date I used for them in this analysis, but quickly fell inactive each time, until November 5, 2010 when they applied again and finally remained active, so I'm using that citizenship application as their official day that they joined Europeia.

At this point in the last article I was immediately able to jump into the data, but this time there is one last thing I want to set up, and it's another thing about our demographic groups: y'know, the backbone for this entire series. Here's the thing, if you're clever you will have realized that the "Unified Era" goes all the way back to 2010. Europeia was founded in March of 2007. Get the issue yet? We cannot use our current demographic groups because nobody can be Ancient if we're going back five years before 2010, because that means going back to before Europeia was founded. There are a few different ways that we can proceed from here: we could drop Ancient, but that means we won't have easily comparable data sets between eras. We could also redo our definitions for each demographic group somehow to keep Ancient, but how do we alter our definitions in a way that makes sense, and remains true to how people in that time would have perceived each group? For our current groups I pulled from our polls, so maybe there was some polling from back in the day that could point us in the right direction?

Well, would you look at that? An EBC poll from June 2012 on the upcoming Presidential race. They don't exactly ask people to sort into demographics by name, but they do ask what sort of person they would like to see as President, and sort the groups by experience in the region, which works just as well. They even provide named examples for each group.
Desired 'history' of the President

Founding Member [E.g. HEM, Lethen]
Long-Term Member [E.g. Sopo, CSP, Swak']
Experienced Member [E.g. Apollo, Vinage, JGlenn]
These are the important ones we need, as we find facsimiles for Ancient (Founding Member), Old (Long-Term Member), and Middle (Experienced Member) to meet their new era. Well, old era, but you get what I mean. Taking those names and turning them into years we end up with these as our demographic definitions:
  • Less than 3 months in the region(< 90 Days): Baby
  • 3 - 6 months (90 - 180 Days): Newcomer
  • 6 months - 1 year (181 - 365 Days) : Youthful
  • 1 - 2 years (366 - 730 Days): Middle
  • 2 - 3 years (731 - 1096 Days): Old
  • More than 3 years (> 1096 Days): Ancient
We will be using these definitions for any ticket being examined from June 2012 or earlier. Of course, this presents a new problem about what to do when we reach 2009, as we cannot go back three years, since that would be before the founding of Europeia. "No problem," I hear you say, "surely there will be another EBC poll we can find to help us out!" Unfortunately, my dear reader, the EBC was only just founded in December of 2009 and did not begin publishing articles until February of 2010, with no polling of any sort for a year or more after that time. This is why there will be a third installment to this series, to examine the final set of tickets, from 2007 to 2009 with a new set of demographic groups that don't entirely compare with the ones we've been using. Frankly, when going that far back into Europeian history I think it's to be expected that things won't fit cleanly into the way we do things in modern Europeia.

Did I go too into the weeds with you during that last part? Good! I hope you learned what goes into creating this sort of analysis in a responsible and careful way and this data gets put to some use! But hey, we've finally got all of that out of the way and can now dive into the data, beginning with the top of the ticket.

Unified Era P Demographics.jpeg

Split Era Demographics.jpeg
Timeline
NameFirst Active CitizenshipTime in Region on Election DayElection DateNotes
Falconias10/8/2008504 days (Middle)2/24/2010
Rougiers12/27/2009117 days (Newcomer)4/24/2010
PhDre12/2/2009202 days (Youthful)6/23/2010Primary system, with the top two candidates moving on to the General Election one week later, General date used
Anumia4/14/20071226 days (Ancient)8/22/2010
CSP9/27/2009393 days (Middle)10/25/2010
Oliver Grey8/26/2009482 days (Middle)12/21/2010
Earth229/29/2009512 days (Middle)2/23/2011
Earth229/29/2009570 days (Middle)4/22/2011
Rach8/13/2010311 days (Youthful)6/20/2011
Sopo12/31/2009581 days (Middle)8/4/2011
Rach8/13/2010417 days (Middle)10/4/2011
CSP9/27/2009799 days (Old)12/5/2011
NES2/2/2010733 days (Old)2/5/2012
Skizzy Grey6/8/2010667 days (Middle)4/5/2012
Sopo12/31/2009897 days (Old)6/15/2012
Vinage12/17/2010615 days (Middle)8/23/2012
Vinage12/17/2010686 days (Middle)11/2/2012
Swakistek4/28/20091353 days (Old)1/10/2013
CSP9/27/20091272 days (Old)3/22/2013
Kylia Quilor4/4/2011787 days (Old)5/30/2013
Seven Deaths3/20/2012510 days (Middle)8/12/2013
Anumia4/14/20072385 days (Ancient)10/24/2013
Anumia4/14/20072456 days (Ancient)1/3/2014
Anumia4/14/20072526 days (Ancient)3/14/2014First President to serve three consecutive terms
Kraketopia10/23/2013212 days (Youthful)5/23/2014
Kraketopia10/23/2013282 days (Youthful)8/1/2014
Malashaan10/1/20111105 days (Old)10/10/2014
Mousebumples4/19/20111340 days (Old)12/19/2014First President/Vice President swap from one term to the next
Sopo12/31/20091883 days (Ancient)2/26/2015
Writinglegend5/26/2014346 days (Youthful)5/7/2015
Writinglegend5/26/2014417 days (Middle)7/17/2015
Writinglegend5/26/2014488 days (Middle)9/26/2015
Kraketopia10/23/2013771 days (Old)12/3/2015
Trinnien6/3/2015254 days (Youthful)2/12/2016
Calvin Coolidge7/3/2014659 days (Middle)4/22/2016
Trinnien6/3/2015394 days (Middle)7/1/2016
Writinglegend5/26/2014837 days (Old)9/9/2016
Writinglegend5/26/2014907 days (Old)11/18/2016
Aexnidaral3/29/20102496 days (Ancient)1/27/2017
Calvin Coolidge7/3/20141009 days (Old)4/7/2017
Writinglegend5/26/20141117 days (Old)6/16/2017
Cat1/4/2016599 days (Middle)8/25/2017
Brunhilde12/12/20141057 days (Old)11/3/2017
Rach8/13/20102708 days (Ancient)1/11/2018Incumbent due to administrative ban of previous President
HEM3/6/20074035 days (Ancient)3/23/2018
Deepest House3/10/20151179 days (Old)6/1/2018
Ervald7/31/20151106 days (Old)8/10/2018
Sopo12/31/20093193 days (Ancient)9/28/2018Incumbent from last term, due to resignations of both the elected President and Vice President
Sopo12/31/20093263 days (Ancient)12/7/2018
Kuramia7/2/20151324 days (Old)2/15/2019Elected for shortened term that would transition into Chief of State term
50 tickets sure adds up, huh? I hope you all read the timeline table, it always takes the most time to do in these articles, by far. Back to the data, though, we can see that, just like during the Executive Split there are no representatives from the "Baby" group. Remember, though, we already knew this would be the case thanks to GraV's article on how long it takes to become President. The interesting part is that, just like in the Split Era, it pays to be Old. The difference when compared to the Split, however, is that Middle is just dominant as Old. Meanwhile Ancient, though notable, is not competing for the top spot. Youthful and Newcomer are in the same place as before, at the bottom. Actually, Newcomer does significantly worse, as we see only one Newcomer out of 50 Presidents, compared to one Newcomer out of thirteen Split Leaders, so a much worse fraction.

As things stand now, this is pretty significant data, as we see evidence that despite the Split coming into existence with the plan to give younger players a chance to lead the region, we see that the Unified system actually saw much more success for newer players, with Middle almost at the top. Remember from my last article that there wasn't much difference between these overall numbers and when you sorted out First Minister and Chief of State individually, so there's not much of a saving grace for the Split in this data.

Of course, this isn't everything I have to show you, there's also the Vice Presidents. So here's another 50 people turned into data points and slapped onto a bar graph.
Unified Era VP Demographics.jpeg

Split Era Deputy Demographics.jpeg
Timeline
NameFirst Active CitizenshipTime in Region on Election DayElection DateNotes
Carracalla7/19/2009220 days (Youthful)2/24/2010
Earth229/29/2009207 days (Youthful)4/24/2010
Jusduckria1/28/2010146 days (Newcomer)6/23/2010Primary system, with the top two candidates moving on to the General Election one week later, General date used
Asianatic5/27/2008817 days (Old)8/22/2010
McEntire3/28/2010211 days (Youthful)10/25/2010
Anumia4/14/20071347 days (Ancient)12/21/2010
CSP9/27/2009514 days (Middle)2/23/2011
Skizzy Grey6/8/2010318 days (Youthful)4/22/2011Incumbent President, different VP
Asperta5/7/2010409 days (Middle)6/20/2011
HEM3/6/20071612 days (Ancient)8/4/2011
McEntire3/28/2010555 days (Middle)10/4/2011
JGlenn8/23/2011104 days (Newcomer)12/5/2011
PASD11/5/2010457 days (Middle)2/5/2012
CSP9/27/2009921 days (Old)4/5/2012
Vinage12/17/2010546 days (Middle)6/15/2012
Lethen4/11/20071961 days (Ancient)8/23/2012
Seven Deaths3/20/2012227 days (Youthful)11/2/2012Incumbent President, different VP
Seven Deaths3/20/2012296 days (Youthful)1/10/2013Different President, same VP
Drexlore Greyjoy4/2/2012354 days (Youthful)3/22/2013
Drecq1/26/2011855 days (Old)5/30/2013
Drecq1/26/2011929 days (Old)8/12/2013Different President, same VP
Malashaan10/1/20111119 days (Old)10/24/2013
Malashaan10/1/20111190 days (Old)1/3/2014
Malashaan10/1/20111260 days (Old)3/14/2014First Vice President to serve three consecutive terms
Pope Lexus X9/1/20072456 days (Ancient)5/23/2014
Pope Lexus X9/1/20072526 days (Ancient)8/1/2014
Mousebumples4/19/20111270 days (Old)10/10/2014
Malashaan10/1/20111175 days (Old)12/19/2014First President/Vice President swap from one term to the next
Writinglegend5/26/2014276 days (Youthful)2/26/2015
Calvin Coolidge7/3/2014308 days (Youthful)5/7/2015
Calvin Coolidge7/3/2014379 days (Middle)7/17/2015
Calvin Coolidge7/3/2014450 days (Middle)9/26/2015
Trinnien6/3/2015183 days (Youthful)12/3/2015
Calvin Coolidge7/3/2014589 days (Middle)2/12/2016
Malashaan710/1/20111665 days (Old)4/22/2016
HEM3/6/2007 3405 days (Ancient)7/1/2016
Aexnidaral3/29/20102356 days (Ancient)9/9/2016
Aexnidaral3/29/20102426 days (Ancient)11/18/2016
Brunhilde12/12/2014777 days (Old)1/27/2017
Darcness10/27/2016162 days (Newcomer)4/7/2017
Deepest House3/10/2015829 days (Old)6/16/2017
Writinglegend5/26/20141187 days (Old)8/25/2017
Rach8/13/20102639 days (Ancient)11/3/2017
Malashaan10/1/20112294 days (Ancient)1/11/2018Incumbent VP due to administrative ban of previous President
Sopo12/31/20093004 days (Ancient)3/23/2018
Kuramia7/2/20151065 days (Old)6/1/2018
Drexlore Greyjoy4/2/20122321 days (Ancient)8/10/2018
Pierce6/4/2018 116 days (Newcomer)9/28/2018Incumbent from last term, due to resignations of both the elected President and Vice President
Pierce6/4/2018186 days (Youthful)12/7/2018
Pierce6/4/20181324 days (Old)2/15/2019Elected for shortened term that would transition into Deputy Chief of State term; Also first Vice President to serve three consecutive terms, without the same President for all three terms
Please enjoy the most extensive list of Vice Presidents you'll find anywhere on this forum. We do a terrible job of tracking them, and I want to note that I am very glad our Election Administrators now post the winners' names at the end of every election because that trend only started in about 2012/2013, so half of the time I'd be tracking these elections to see who won each one and HEM or Lethen would just say "Closed". Very frustrating when you can't see the actual polls in the old threads, but hey, they've changed since then, so thanks for that. Looking at the data we see that there is still no love for the Baby group, but Youthful has a very strong presence for the first time in any of these charts. Of course, Old continues its absolute dominance here as well, but compared to the Presidents we see stronger results from Ancient, Youthful and Newcomer, at the expense of Middle. Although Newcomer still makes up the smallest portion this is one of the strongest performances we've seen from that group, aside from Deputies during the Split. Speaking of! Comparing VPs to Split Deputies we basically swap Youthful for Middle, with less of a dominant performance by Old, though still very present.

Taking this together with the Presidential data I think we have a very strong case for the Split actually resulting in less newer players rising to leadership positions, both in the top spot and as deputies. Vice Presidents under the Unified system were still much more likely to be either Old or Ancient than anything else, but Youthful made its presence known, and the same cannot be said for the Split, which also favored the Old and Ancient, with Middle being the alternate option of choice.

Sidetrack time! We will now determine which ticket is the "oldest" we will return to the method used in the last article where each demographic group is worth an increasing amount of points (Newcomer = 1, Youthful = 2, etc.) and add each ticket together to get everyone's final scores. Let's see how everyone measures up.
Every Unified Era Ticket by Demographic.jpeg
That's kinda unreadable, isn't it? Well, with 50 different tickets this is the best we can do. I'm going to list out all the tickets under their point total in a spoiler below, if you care to read it.
3
Rougiers/Earth
PhDre/Jusduckria

4
WL/Calvin

5
Falconias/Carracalla
CSP/McEntire
Earth/Skizzy
Rach/Asperta
CSP/JGlenn
Vinage/Seven Deaths
Trinnien/Calvin
Calvin/Darcness

6
Earth/CSP
Rach/McEntire
Swak/CSP
CSP/Drexlore
WL/Calvin (x2)
Kraken/Trinnien
Sopo/Pierce
Kuramia/Pierce

7
NES/PASD
Skizzy/CSP
Sopo/Vinage
Seven Deaths/Drecq
Kraken/Pope Lexus X (x2)
Sopo/WL
Cat/WL
Sopo/Pierce

8
Oliver/Anumia
Sopo/HEM
Vinage/Lethen
Kylia Quilor/Drecq
Malashaan/Mouse
Mouse/Malashaan
Calvin/Malashaan
Trinnien/HEM
WL/Aex (x2)
WL/Deepest House
Deepest House/Kuramia

9
Anumia/Asianatic
Anumia/Malashaan (x3)
Aex/Brunhilde
Brunhilde/Rach
Ervald/Drexlore

10
Rach/Malashaan
HEM/Sopo
That gives us our youngest ticket being a tie between Rougiers/Earth22 and PhDre/Jusduckria, both with three points, and our oldest ticket also being a tie between Rach/Malashaan and HEM/Sopo, both with ten points. This leads us into the final data I'm going to examine in this article: what demographic pairs have had the most success, and which have had the least? We can already see that the tickets seem to be all over the place, but let's just put it all into numbers to see if there's anything else interesting to pull from this data. Now I will present each possible pairing of the 5 demographic groups we've been working with during this article, and sort each ticket accordingly. And remember, order matters. Here we go!
Newcomer/Newcomer

Newcomer/Youthful
Rougiers/Earth22

Newcomer/Middle

Newcomer/Old

Newcomer/Ancient


Youthful/Newcomer

PhDre/Jusduckria

Youthful/Youthful
Writinglegend/Calvin Coolidge

Youthful/Middle
Rach/Asperta
Trinnien/Calvin Coolidge

Youthful/Old

Youthful/Ancient

Kraketopia/Pope Lexus X (x2)

Middle/Newcomer


Middle/Youthful

Falconias/Carracalla
CSP/McEntire
Earth22/Skizzy Grey
Vinage/Seven Deaths

Middle/Middle
Earth22/CSP
Rach/McEntire
Writinglegend/Calvin Coolidge (x2)

Middle/Old
Skizzy Grey/CSP
Seven Deaths/Drecq
Calvin Coolidge/Malashaan
Cat/Writinglegend

Middle/Ancient
Oliver/Anumia
Sopo/HEM
Vinage/Lethen
Trinnien/HEM

Old/Newcomer
CSP/JGlenn
Calvin Coolidge/Darcness

Old/Youthful
Swakistek/Seven Deaths
CSP/Drexlore Greyjoy
Kraketopia/Trinnien
Kuramia/Pierce

Old/Middle
NES/PASD
Sopo/Vinage

Old/Old
Kylia Quilor/Drecq
Malashaan/Mousebumples
Mousebumples/Malashaan
Writinglegend/Deepest House
Deepest House/Kuramia

Old/Ancient
Writinglegend/Aexnidaral (x2)
Brunhilde/Rach
Ervald/Drexlore Greyjoy

Ancient/Newcomer
Sopo/Pierce

Ancient/Youthful
Sopo/Writinglegend
Sopo/Pierce

Ancient/Middle

Ancient/Old

Anumia/Asianatic
Anumia/Malashaan (x3)
Aexnidaral/Brunhilde

Ancient/Ancient
Rach/Malashaan
HEM/Sopo
What a range of pairs! With 50 tickets you can get a lot of interesting mixing and matching going on, that's for sure. Like last time, however, we see the overall trend of the Older (Old and Ancient) free to succeed with nearly any pairing imaginable (even Ancient/Ancient!) while the Newer (Newcomer and Youthful) typically pair with Older or Middle, though a few pairs have found success in doubling down on Newer, so it's not impossible. Middle, due to occupying a much larger portion of the sample than in the Split era, also has some interesting pairings, but will once again usually pick Older, despite some success with Youthful, or doubling down on Middle.

In summary, it seems like while almost any demographic can find success, by and large the tickets with Middle, Old, and Ancient have found a lot more of it over the years under the Unified system. Notable pairings still looking for success include Newcomer/Newcomer and any representation from the Baby group. That will do it for this article, please join me soon for the final installment in this demographic analysis of electoral tickets when we venture way way back to the early days of Europeia to see what they were looking for in a Presidential pairing. Until next time this is Calvin Coolidge, excited to discuss this article on radio later today.
 
While this is kind of hard to digest, I can see how much work you've put into exploring this subject and I thank you for it. I do hope that people are picking their running mates based on complementing their own skills and experience as well as on the basis of who can best serve their agenda rather than when they filled out their citizenship application. I hope that's how the voting public evaluates them too.
 
Once upon a time when I was "middle."

Thanks for putting this all together, Cal.
 
That's a llllllot of data, thanks for digging it all up and putting together this analysis of it.
 
The age for me is inaccurate. My first active citizenship was not January 27th 2011. It was September 30th 2012. So my age starting my VP-ship with Kylia Quilor on May 30th 2013 and my VP-ship with Seven Deaths on August 12th 2013 should not be "Old" but "Youthful" at 212 days and 316 days respectively.
 
The age for me is inaccurate. My first active citizenship was not January 27th 2011. It was September 30th 2012. So my age starting my VP-ship with Kylia Quilor on May 30th 2013 and my VP-ship with Seven Deaths on August 12th 2013 should not be "Old" but "Youthful" at 212 days and 316 days respectively.
Sorry Drecq, the age is accurate. After going back and double-checking my work I found that after you applied in late January of 2011 you stuck around until March 9 and posted, as Lethen put it in the thread you linked, "100+" times. By my count it was about 130 posts in that first month and a half. So yeah, I'm saying you were active.
 
The age for me is inaccurate. My first active citizenship was not January 27th 2011. It was September 30th 2012. So my age starting my VP-ship with Kylia Quilor on May 30th 2013 and my VP-ship with Seven Deaths on August 12th 2013 should not be "Old" but "Youthful" at 212 days and 316 days respectively.
Sorry Drecq, the age is accurate. After going back and double-checking my work I found that after you applied in late January of 2011 you stuck around until March 9 and posted, as Lethen put it in the thread you linked, "100+" times. By my count it was about 130 posts in that first month and a half. So yeah, I'm saying you were active.
I was so "active" that when I returned a year and a half later I didnt realize I could lose my citizenship. I think the 100 posts were almost entirely spam. I dont think it should count as active.

And if you do count 100 spam posts before leaving for a year and a half as "being active" for the purpose of your age in Euro, then the age characteristic is practically useless.
 
This is a really good article, with lots of research and informative graphs. Enjoyed reading the first one and now this edition as well!
 
The age for me is inaccurate. My first active citizenship was not January 27th 2011. It was September 30th 2012. So my age starting my VP-ship with Kylia Quilor on May 30th 2013 and my VP-ship with Seven Deaths on August 12th 2013 should not be "Old" but "Youthful" at 212 days and 316 days respectively.
Sorry Drecq, the age is accurate. After going back and double-checking my work I found that after you applied in late January of 2011 you stuck around until March 9 and posted, as Lethen put it in the thread you linked, "100+" times. By my count it was about 130 posts in that first month and a half. So yeah, I'm saying you were active.
I was so "active" that when I returned a year and a half later I didnt realize I could lose my citizenship. I think the 100 posts were almost entirely spam. I dont think it should count as active.

And if you do count 100 spam posts before leaving for a year and a half as "being active" for the purpose of your age in Euro, then the age characteristic is practically useless.
This feels kind of nitpicky. As long as Calvin is consistent in the criteria he follows, I don't think it matters.
 
The age for me is inaccurate. My first active citizenship was not January 27th 2011. It was September 30th 2012. So my age starting my VP-ship with Kylia Quilor on May 30th 2013 and my VP-ship with Seven Deaths on August 12th 2013 should not be "Old" but "Youthful" at 212 days and 316 days respectively.
Sorry Drecq, the age is accurate. After going back and double-checking my work I found that after you applied in late January of 2011 you stuck around until March 9 and posted, as Lethen put it in the thread you linked, "100+" times. By my count it was about 130 posts in that first month and a half. So yeah, I'm saying you were active.
I was so "active" that when I returned a year and a half later I didnt realize I could lose my citizenship. I think the 100 posts were almost entirely spam. I dont think it should count as active.

And if you do count 100 spam posts before leaving for a year and a half as "being active" for the purpose of your age in Euro, then the age characteristic is practically useless.
This feels kind of nitpicky. As long as Calvin is consistent in the criteria he follows, I don't think it matters.
I disagree. If the criteria he follows mischaracterize someone by an entire two categories then the conclusions are faulty. And the criteria he used does mischaracterize me. Im sorry, but if someone is here for a month and completely inactive in government and then disappears for 20x the length of time he was here before returning, then hes not a "middle aged" euro player. Hes a newcomer. If its just me he mischaracterized then the fault is small and the only likely issue is me being slightly annoyed. If he mischaracterized more people then the fault grows until eventually the entire conclusion can be discarded. Im honestly too lazy to make a person by person check to see whether anyone else has a different start date than Calvin presumes, especially because my start in Euro is likely to be fairly rare (how many others leave before they get started in Euro only to then return years later to become active enough to feature in this). But it is not "nitpicky". It is a legitimate fault in the methodology.
 
The age for me is inaccurate. My first active citizenship was not January 27th 2011. It was September 30th 2012. So my age starting my VP-ship with Kylia Quilor on May 30th 2013 and my VP-ship with Seven Deaths on August 12th 2013 should not be "Old" but "Youthful" at 212 days and 316 days respectively.
Sorry Drecq, the age is accurate. After going back and double-checking my work I found that after you applied in late January of 2011 you stuck around until March 9 and posted, as Lethen put it in the thread you linked, "100+" times. By my count it was about 130 posts in that first month and a half. So yeah, I'm saying you were active.
I was so "active" that when I returned a year and a half later I didnt realize I could lose my citizenship. I think the 100 posts were almost entirely spam. I dont think it should count as active.

And if you do count 100 spam posts before leaving for a year and a half as "being active" for the purpose of your age in Euro, then the age characteristic is practically useless.
This feels kind of nitpicky. As long as Calvin is consistent in the criteria he follows, I don't think it matters.
I disagree. If the criteria he follows mischaracterize someone by an entire two categories then the conclusions are faulty. And the criteria he used does mischaracterize me. Im sorry, but if someone is here for a month and completely inactive in government and then disappears for 20x the length of time he was here before returning, then hes not a "middle aged" euro player. Hes a newcomer. If its just me he mischaracterized then the fault is small and the only likely issue is me being slightly annoyed. If he mischaracterized more people then the fault grows until eventually the entire conclusion can be discarded. Im honestly too lazy to make a person by person check to see whether anyone else has a different start date than Calvin presumes, especially because my start in Euro is likely to be fairly rare (how many others leave before they get started in Euro only to then return years later to become active enough to feature in this). But it is not "nitpicky". It is a legitimate fault in the methodology.
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